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,hack imformation depository

Shuhei
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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 08:50

,hack imformation depository

since we had so many questions about some basic common knowledge of the .hack series and we had to keep explaining it might as well explain it here and just link it when the questions arise.

ok here we go I'll try to keep this in order but i don't feel like looking up dates so bare with me.

Before .hack
Harald Hoerwick, a brilliant programmer, falls in love with underground net-poet Emma Wielant, his feelings are not returned.

Emma dies

Emma's epic poem the eptath of twilight is lost

Harold sets out to create an ultimate union of his and Emma's greatest talents to show his undying love for her

Epitath of Twilight
Yet to return, the shadowed one.
Who quests for the Twilight Dragon
Rumbles the Dark Hearth,
And Helba, Queen of the Dark,
has finally raised her army.
Apeiron, King of Light beckons.
At the base of the rainbow they meet
Against the abominable Wave,
together they fight.
Alba's lake boils.
Light's great tree doth fall.
Power- now all to droplets turned
in the temple of Arche Koeln.
Returns to nothing,
this world of shadowless ones.
Never to return, the shadowless one,
Who quests for the Twilight Dragon.

"Welle"
Riding the Wave is Skeith, the Shadow of Death, to drown all that stands.
Mirage of Deceit, Innis, Betray all with the flawed image, and did aid the Wave.
And by the Power of Magus, a drop from the Wave doth reach the heavens, and creates a new Wave.
With the Wave, Fidchell, the power to tell the dark future, hope darkens, sadness and despair rule.
Gorre schemes when swallowed by the Cursed Wave.
Macha seduces with the sweet trap.
Wave reaches the Pinnacle, and escape none can. Tarvos still remains with more cruelty to punish and destroy.
And with the turbulent destruction after the Wave. Only a void remains. From deep within the void arrives Corbenik.

Fragment 0
Shunning the field broken by Wave.
The shadowed girl whispers,
"Surely, I will return."
Alas, the truth unbeknownst.
Awaiting her at journey's end;
Eternal mourning for her land.

Fragment 1
When the finger points to the
yonder moon,
The fool will not look at the fingertip.

Fragment 2
The whole cannot be changed.
We have already lost that chance.
Because the time left to us was short,
We were mistaken in our path.
But now do we realize,
We should change not the whole,
But the parts.

Fragment 3
Wave soars and shrouds the eyes.
No means to fight an omnipresent force,
The shadowless ones just grieve.
Why must it be a Wave?
Divide, if it would just...
Then retaliate, we may.

Fragment 4
Over the Keel Mountains,
Meets an ape with human speech.
The ape asks,
"What clings to you?
Bear it - you cannot.
Accept it - you cannot.
But hidden - it is from you.
Recite its name."

The answer is one's self's shadow or dark side so you would say your own name.

Fragment
The Beta for the world created by Harold is released to a select few

Huge deal since it was the first online game since pluto's kiss(A net catastrophe which killed a few people)

Balmung and Orca finish "The One Sin" event and are dubbed the Descendants of Fianna by W.B. Yeats in a poem

Sign
An Shoji logs in as Tsukasa and is knocked unconscious when she finds what is thought to be by many players  as the key of the twilight

After she awakes she finds that she can' logout out. She also befriends the AI Macha and begins to talk to the Morganna who claims to be Tsukasa's mother(who died in a car accident in real life)

Morganna grants him the power to summon The Guardian, a special near invincibal monster, and the power to go anywhere she wants without having to use the chaos gate.

Around this time Bear, B.T., Mimiru, Sora, and Subaru take interest in Tsukasa's plight and sudden acquirecence of powers.

Morganna also brings Tsukasa and the sleeping Aura together. Morganna did this since Tsukasa's angst
was deterring aura's awakening and if aura awoke the Morganna would be deleted.

More to come
feel free to add your own but try to keep it in order


CruelAngel
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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 09:02

i might as well post this too here:
http://www.dothackers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5658

here you can find the 12 Intern Reports that were on the .hack//GU terminal disc... it basicly explains what happend in the first four games, and what happend between the last games and roots...

To noob speculatiors: I recommend you read it before you speculate the most stupidest thing in The World :P


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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 11:39

there goes a noob question...is there any way to start everything from the beginning...like any of you got any site where i could at least DL the manga or something?...uhm.....


Shuhei
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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 12:08

Not legally but now that I think of it neither is dl'ing Lu's subs
.hack//SIGN and Liminality
http://isohunt.com/dl.php?ihq=hack+28&id=12922277

I don't consider uuden canon at all and its pretty much a waste of time unless you want to see .hack// moe

Its almost impossible to find the to find the older manga and the novels so you'll have to buy those

And please if you have a question like that make sign up and make a thread please don't hi-jack mine


Shuhei
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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 13:57

ya but
a) Most likely he/she isn't going to buy the manga and its hard to find it online
b) I don't consider it canon, mostly because if you were to remove the manga from the whole story would it really affect things?

I also somewhat enjoyed it but I did not find it .hack worthy


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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 14:06

Please don't let this become the Star Trek forums. "I don't consider Enterprise canon!" It's half the reason I left the Star Trek forums and eventually Star Trek and I'd hate to hear it about anything .hack. I like all parts of it because it makes one beautiful contiguous story.


Lungkisser
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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 14:08

From what I understand, the //Legend of the Twilight mangas are canon and the anime is an interpretation. I've seen the anime and I'm currently going through the mangas. There are key differences but all-in-all I think I am enjoying the mangas far more.

Edit: lol what... I edit it to change the font so my posts all match and it moves it down to the bottom? Sad day. This was supposed to be before the previous two posts. No more editting for me.


Hasuro
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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 20:50

hmmm....my first post but i see everones explaining a little more of G.U.


Hasuro Of Twilight

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Posted: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 22:05

 Tawarayas Back in 19 thats the guy with the green hair....*hint is his arm band*


Hasuro Of Twilight

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Posted: Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 17:14

@Lungkisser: yes.. the manga is cannon... so Zeffie, Aura's doughter is canon... and that evil AI in the LotT anime is not... that's all... i guess...


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Posted: Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 18:07

I read something somewhere (very vague; I fail) about Zeffie being mentioned in either //G.U. or Interim Reports or something. I can't even remember where. Maybe it was wikipedia...

Yup. Search "Zefie" through wikipedia and it talks about it. Would be interesting.


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Posted: Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 20:33

well I updated the depository a bit but then got caught up in some new Deathcab for Cutie CD's I got XD

Btw someones gonna have to write the manga summary cause I never got to read it since the manga section is near the magical studies section at my town's borders and theres always like twelve goth kids in ther
They scare the shit out of meEmbarassed


CruelAngel
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Posted: Friday, August 18, 2006 - 07:20

well... i read the .hack//LotT manga's first and last (third) volume... nothing special happens ... and correct me if i'm wrong

spoiler:

We meet Shugo and his sis, they win on a contest organized by Aura, they get the PCs of Kite and BlackRose, the legendary .hackers... they meet with Balmung, who is now an admin and coordinator of funky events, they also meet a girl Mirellie... who is non other then Mistral's doughter (who was born during the old .hack games)... who's using her moms PC

they also meet with Ouka, who has a new class and a new race... since there was an expansion to The World... later on Shougo's character gets attached to Zeffie, an AI, who's suppose to be Aura's doughter... then they get chased by Kamui and the Cobalt/Azure/Blue knights, who are the debuggers of The World... we learn that Kamui once knew the hero of .hack//AI buster, Albiero.

Finally our heros meet with Kazu, BlackRose's brother, who gives them a key to NetSlum, there they meet some vargant AIs (includeing Lycoris, or a copy of Lycoris, who was in AI Buster too)... they also meet Aura in the end, and we'll learn that Shugo once had a character years ago, met Aura when she was half awake, and wished to be a hero, so now Aura made him a hero.. that's all

during the manga we meet a bunch of new charas, and some old guys, as WiseMan, Mistral... that's all...

in the anime we learn that Balmung dated Kamui once, we see Ginkan deleted by Kamui, and there is a vargant AI who's all evil, and gets deleted by Shugo.... but that all does not happen in the manga...


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Posted: Friday, August 18, 2006 - 12:02

I think everything is pretty much correct.

But right before LOBT we have the games and the manga of .hack//another birth. sorry i don;t have info on another birth as i never read the manga, and i can't find the manga. for what i understand... .hack//another birth is just what happens to blackrose in and out of the game, giving some kind of key informatio that was never revealed in the game, or something like that


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Posted: Friday, August 18, 2006 - 12:30

.hack//Another Birth is a novel, not a manga, which tells the story of the four PS2 games from her perspective rather than Kite's. Just to clear things up.

I've read the first one. It's not bad. Kinda short. Not as fulfilling as playing the games, obviously.


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Posted: Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 20:33

Well who ever was going on about not canon theres gonna be that sorta crap because of .hack//Dusk.


Shuhei
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Posted: Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 21:02

uhh what?
what kinda crap?

your going to have to rephrase your statement there

and btw i broke down and said it was canon. Canon but still essentialy unimportant.


Mousie
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Posted: Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 04:32

.hack//Dusk is a false name. ;_; pls dun use it anymore


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Posted: Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 12:23

dot hack dusk is still used by lots of people even if its not it's true name because its short and to the point like all other dot hack titles....legend of the twilight bracelet isn't....


everything you see could be a lie..information you learn could be false...to truely live life you need to find out for yourself.........oh and i like anime!!


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Posted: Monday, August 21, 2006 - 10:53

@Mousie: People use "Dusk" because it also means "Twilight" ...I think. I've always used Dusk because "Legend of the Twilight Bracelet" and "LotTB" don't sound right, like "SIGN" "ROOTS" and "GU" do.


Mousie
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Posted: Monday, August 21, 2006 - 12:30

Actually its just Legend of the Twilight. No bracelet added. so thats LotT. Dusk was a mistranslation by a fansub group.
Verify the info if you like. http://dothack.wikia.com/wiki/.hack//Wiki


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Posted: Monday, August 21, 2006 - 12:44

@Mousie: it is the "Legend of the Twilight Bracelet" though. The official title is ".hack//黄昏の腕輪伝説(.hack//Tasogare no udewa densetsu)"

黄昏(Tasogare) = Twilight(Dusk)
の(no) = of(in reverse)
腕輪(udewa) = Bracelet
伝説(densetsu) = Legend


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Posted: Monday, August 21, 2006 - 14:50

Teehee, I'm new to this side of .Hack. Could someone please explain what "canon" and "non-canon" means? I've heard them somewhere before...


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Posted: Monday, August 21, 2006 - 14:53

well put simply it means Canon = part of the real plot
non-canon = not part of the plot

well i think thats what it means


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Posted: Monday, August 21, 2006 - 22:41

@Chaos: Ah, thanks :)


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Mousie
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Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 02:37

@luperry: Tasogare - Twilight
Yuugure - Dusk


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Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 04:09

@Mousie: there is no one-to-one correspondence between words in English and Japanese. it's not a good idea to think there is.

tasogare and yuugure(and 日暮れ(higure), 薄暮(hakubo), 夕闇(yuuyami)) are synonyms.

however, twilight refers to the time of sunset, when you can still see some sunlight, yuugure on the other hand refers to the time from sunset to early evening.

another thing you may wanna consider is, twilight in English may refer to the dimming light during sunrise and sunset, whereas tasogare SPECIFICALLY refers to sunset, and it refers to the event/time of sunset, it's like "noon" or "morning" in English.

with those in mind, "dusk" is actually a better translation for tasogare, but "twilight" definitely sounds better than "dusk".


Mousie
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Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 08:15

I understand that. I took Japanese for three years not to mention Guam is full of diverse people.

.hack has always referred to "twilight" of something. The people who wrote .hack for wiki as well as the altimit site believe .hack//Dusk to be a false name. It doesnt really matter to me. I'm just going by what the other die hard .hack fans say.

Personally, I agree with them in saying .hack//Dusk is a false name. Reasoning being its not called .hack//Tasogare. Its one word. If all words were to be inlcuded...saying Legendary Bracelet of Dusk just sounds weird imo.


luperry
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Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 13:38

yep. as far as .hack goes, without a doubt, it's .hack//Twilight Bracelet, not .hack//Dusk Bracelet.


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Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 14:44

Another Birth is a 4 volume novel series that takes place at the same time as the first four PS2 games (Infection through Quarantine), but from Black Rose's viewpoint.  Volume 1 is available at most big bookstore chains.  Vol. 2 will come out in October.  They're being translated by Tokyo Pop if you want to get the schedules for the remaining books.  There are conflicts between Another Birth and the video games, mostly in that Black Rose claims to be the one speaking many of Kite's lines from the games.  So far, the only reason for reading these novels is if you didn't play the original games.  In short, Black Rose's personal life is "so the drama".  Bleh.


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Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 14:46

For anyone that hasn't played the original games, or read some of the original stories, check out the Helba Game: http://home.austin.rr.com/tsote/dothack/helba_gate.html.

The link for Fragments from the main page with give you the timeline and back story.  The World and the Novels/Manga will give you summaries of the printed matter.


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